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6/10
No answers (just the way it should be)
BandSAboutMovies21 October 2020
Warning: Spoilers
As a young teen - with parent bought subscriptions to the National Lampoon and Spy - I was obsessed with all manner of strange religions and aberrant behavior, which starts as simply as Scientology and builds into lifelong obsessions with groups like the Jack Chick, Unarius UFO groups, the Process church, the book Illuminatus! and, of course, J.R. "Bob" Dobbs. Sadly, as everything good has been destroyed, even indulging in fringe conspiracy groups just gets sad these days. I was hoping that this documentary would show me a glimmer of hope and how slack could prevail against an increasingly darker world.

Originally called Slacking Towards Bethlehem: J.R. 'Bob' Dobbs and the Church of the SubGenius, director Sandy K. Boone (this is his first film, yet he has produced several) explores this kind of sort of a church that took some smart, nerdy and even weird folks to examine the various ways that conspiracy and religion were crashing toward one another - which is where we are today - and then do nothing but make fun of it.

With a vast mythology that explains how Jehovah 1 gave salesman J.R. "Bob" Dobbs the secrets of the universe sometimes in the 50's while containing references to Lovecraft and the ability to poke fun at other religions and exclaim that greed is good, the Subgenius ideals were pretty strong to my young mind. It didn't hurt that adherents included de Mark Mothersbaugh, Mojo Nixon,Paul Reubens, Negativland, David Byrne, R. Crumb, Penn Jillette, Nick Offerman and Richard Linklater.

This movie does a decent job of setting up the path of this group and shows how that pre-internet, it was amazing to find people who shared the same values and interests that you did. Personal connections, while harder to come by, seemed to mean more.

Where my sadness with this film comes in - and this is for me only, perhaps - is that it really presented no answers as to how Bob fits in with our Q-Anon world of today. But perhaps that's just slack in action, the idea of inaction and meaning nothing meaning everything. Here I was hoping for an explanation of everything, when the truth is that answer is that there is no answer. Things just are.

J.R. "Bob" Dobbs and the Church of the SubGenius is available on demand. We were sent a screener to watch and review, but that has no impact on our opinion of the film. Want to learn more about the Church of the Subgenius? They have an official site ready to indoctrinate you.
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9/10
An important slice of counter culture history
sethmoonracer21 October 2020
Unlike most Church of the SubGenius content out there, this feels more honest and behind the scenes. Some good interviews of people out of character talking about success, failure and confusion.

The film does an excellent job of covering a sub-section of people in the 80s, 90s and beyond. It talks about the world of eccentrics who don't fit in, finding each other in a pre-Internet world. Music, video, performance art and alienation.

The movie shifts quite a bit post 1998, and it's easy to consider this an inferior section. However, the Church itself went into a sort of hibernation mode/existential crisis at that point and continues to do so. Yet it's still here. The film does a good job covering why, with real world events that forced the organization to reassess it's place in the world.

I would have liked to see a few more things mentioned. Like anything about the Arise! video. Or how the Church's clipart collage messaging likely helped shape Internet memes. But overall I think it's worth watching to see a little behind the scenes of something that impacted (and still does) the lives of some very interesting and often talented people.
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10/10
Laff-a-Minute... But Only IFF you live long enough to *get* the Punchline!
rzajac2 April 2022
I was... I guess... a *kinda* SubG.

Well... Guess I should admit: I'm an irredeemable pinkboy.

BUT!!! I certainly dug the SubG Church, back in the day.

And it was *great* to see the great patriarchs and matriarchs of the Church in all their glory!

I laughed out loud constantly during the viewing... while marveling at the wonderful *heart* the filmmakers brought to the enterprise.

PRAISE... ***"BOB"*** !!!
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10/10
PRAISE BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sqeegzjones21 July 2021
I enjoyed the whole ride it is great i will always keep the church of the subgenius in my heart!
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5/10
Starts strong but ends on a down note
auteurus7 February 2021
Having sent my dollars off to the PO Box back in the 80's to join this irreverent church, I was really intrigued to see their origin story. It was great to see Stang and Drummond out of character, talking about how they got started with their subversive sense of anti-authoritarian humor and their message to think for yourself. In addition to great interviews, there's a ton of grainy but fascinating archive footage. A lot of it is exactly what you might expect - bored white suburban teens and young adults, looking for a group to belong to, but in most cases not taking themselves too seriously.

As a social experiment which deftly leveraged pop culture, America's obsession with extreme cults and spurred on by Reagan and the excess of the 80's, it all makes sense up to a point. But the documentary (and the Church) seemed to fade a bit in the nineties with the rise of the Internet, and the implication that the good times under Clinton along with mainstream adoption of concepts like memes made the Church irrelevant. I would have thought events like Waco in '93 would have been directly relevant but apparently not according to Stang.

At this point, the documentary takes a political turn, focusing on Trump as the first subgenius president. It suddenly feels very heavy handed, denying the groups own history and acting as if the conspiracy culture that the church itself came from sprang up overnight in 2016. The words Trump Derangement Syndrome flash on the screen in this segment and that is an apt description of the last few minutes, especially watching it after Biden was elected. It feels like watching one of those eighties documentaries warning about Reagan starting a nuclear war. It's interesting but mostly irrelevant.

In the end, they show Stang still stuffing envelopes, making a buck here and there from people still fascinated by the church. The long joke is over and the Church is mostly income for a couple of old hippies who had some great ideas back in the day, but failed to adapt to the times.
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1/10
Interesting cult, fumbled documentary.
throwymcaway21 May 2022
For a church with the message of 'thinking for yourself' the documentary had no problems shoehorning in a one-sided political agenda at the end.

You know what they say about people who can't take a joke.
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