I've seen most of Louis's documentaries over the years but I get the feeling he is losing his touch a little. He still asks the right questions but makes it too personal so the interviewees often end up swearing at him or kicking him out. His moral tone and inquisition gets on peoples nerves. The outcasts of society are an easy target. Perhaps a different or fresh approach is the way forward. And not in the USA again please.
14 Reviews
Down among the narcissists
paul2001sw-15 March 2022
'Forbidden America' follows Louis Theroux's familliar template, travelling to meet strange, often troubling people and letting them tell their own stories, for good or ill. One problem with the model is that his interviewees are often very aware of the context within which they operate; which makes the documentaries less exploitative, but also more perfomatative; the subjects all have their own reason for appearing. In this series, he meets violent rappers, white supremacists, and workers in the porn industry. At least two of these are familliar subjects for Theroux, and he's arguably more directly judgemental here than he has been hitherto. In places, the series is insightful, but as human beings, his protagonists aren't always that interesting, even though their societal role may be: they often come across as narcissitic and opportunistic grifters, whose personalities don't take that long to dissect. There are always moments of interest in Theroux's work; but also limitations to the personal approach.
LMAO
coreysunshine16 February 2022
Negative reviews brought to you by AF. Basically Louis asks the American Manlet Association basic questions about there beliefs and the levels of cope is unreal. It's funny to watch supposed irony trolls sweat profusely... "No you can't just quote me I was being ironic" LMAO what a bunch of cowards.
another slice of crazy Americana from Theroux
gilleliath15 February 2022
Maybe it should worry me as I get older that I can watch something like this, intended as a freak show, and think 'some of what they're saying actually makes sense'. Or maybe it shouldn't be a surprise. After all, these people aren't morons. Their views aren't entirely without foundation, eg when they say the US was founded by white people - that's simply a fact. Specifically it was founded by north Europeans, mainly the British; America's founding ideals are essentially the ideals of British Radicals; and if it had been founded by anybody else it would be a very different entity as - if proof were needed - the differences between North and South America show. So nobody should be under any illusion that the source cultures of immigrants shape American culture. These are all facts; yet Louis Theroux describes them as 'lies and distortion' - at least, he doesn't produce anything else to justify this description of right-wing leader Nick Fuentes. It's becoming routine for the Left to condemn people, not because what they say is wrong, but because it is of the 'wrong tendency' - in other words it's not the words that are wrong, but the Thought Crime assumed to be behind them. It seems to me the obvious thing to hit Fuentes with was the question of how his Hispanic-Catholic background fits into this narrative - after all, that culture has long been disparaged and despised by white America. This seems like missing an open goal, but I suppose that to Theroux - assuming he thought of it - it would have been playing into Fuentes' ethnic games.
It's an illustration that Theroux was maybe not the guy to do this; he was either too confrontational or not confrontational enough. Although it's clear that a lot of these guys are both deeply angry and deeply prejudiced against anyone different from them, I think that what essentially drives them is a genuine sense that the soul of their nation is at stake. When you tell people, as BLM have, that they ought to be ashamed of who and what they are, you're not leaving them anywhere to go and you should expect some to react angrily (and meanwhile Theroux, son of a successful writer and alumnus of Winchester public school, gets to lecture them about privilege). It's a spiritual battle and as such there's no right or wrong; there are different views in conflict, it's all about how you see it: you can choose to frame social divisions in terms of race, you may see that economics is what really counts, or you may even maintain that there are no structural divisions at all. The winner will be whichever garners the most power. In Britain this battle has, as far as public discourse is concerned, already been lost, to the extent that liberals like Louis Theroux simply don't understand it. Fuentes is not wrong when he says Theroux lacks humility; he is not there to understand his subjects; he is guilty of the over-simplification and desire to attach ready-made labels of which they accuse him. What he wants is to challenge them, but he doesn't really succeed in doing that either; he is prevented by his nice guy liberal persona (and maybe lack of quick wits?) from landing any really telling blows.
I get that constantly being hectored about what they ought not to say makes these guys want to say it more, and louder - I think that's a natural and common reaction, which the guardians of wokeness need to take more into account. And I see how, particularly when the most prominent of them are internet 'influencers', they feel forced to keep upping the ante until anti-authoritarian joking becomes hateful abuse. It's interesting that most of them are actually video gamers stuck in their bedrooms, people - it's not too much of a stretch to suggest - oppressed by a sense of powerlessness and personal insignificance, laughably dorky, inarticulate and cliche-ridden, maybe lacking much sense of what the real world is like. In fact they're classic candidates for identity politics: people whose importance, they believe, comes not from anything they've done themselves but from the group to which they belong. In some cases, undoubtedly, they're nasty pieces of work. It's disturbing to see the identical, pre-programmed way they all respond when the interviews aren't going they way they want, as if they have been drilled in what to say. And it's when you start to ask them 'so what do you want to do about it?' that any remaining sympathy rapidly ebbs.
I realise this review won't please those on either side of what is - aren't they all these days? - a very polarised issue. It's called independent thinking, folks: try it some time.
It's an illustration that Theroux was maybe not the guy to do this; he was either too confrontational or not confrontational enough. Although it's clear that a lot of these guys are both deeply angry and deeply prejudiced against anyone different from them, I think that what essentially drives them is a genuine sense that the soul of their nation is at stake. When you tell people, as BLM have, that they ought to be ashamed of who and what they are, you're not leaving them anywhere to go and you should expect some to react angrily (and meanwhile Theroux, son of a successful writer and alumnus of Winchester public school, gets to lecture them about privilege). It's a spiritual battle and as such there's no right or wrong; there are different views in conflict, it's all about how you see it: you can choose to frame social divisions in terms of race, you may see that economics is what really counts, or you may even maintain that there are no structural divisions at all. The winner will be whichever garners the most power. In Britain this battle has, as far as public discourse is concerned, already been lost, to the extent that liberals like Louis Theroux simply don't understand it. Fuentes is not wrong when he says Theroux lacks humility; he is not there to understand his subjects; he is guilty of the over-simplification and desire to attach ready-made labels of which they accuse him. What he wants is to challenge them, but he doesn't really succeed in doing that either; he is prevented by his nice guy liberal persona (and maybe lack of quick wits?) from landing any really telling blows.
I get that constantly being hectored about what they ought not to say makes these guys want to say it more, and louder - I think that's a natural and common reaction, which the guardians of wokeness need to take more into account. And I see how, particularly when the most prominent of them are internet 'influencers', they feel forced to keep upping the ante until anti-authoritarian joking becomes hateful abuse. It's interesting that most of them are actually video gamers stuck in their bedrooms, people - it's not too much of a stretch to suggest - oppressed by a sense of powerlessness and personal insignificance, laughably dorky, inarticulate and cliche-ridden, maybe lacking much sense of what the real world is like. In fact they're classic candidates for identity politics: people whose importance, they believe, comes not from anything they've done themselves but from the group to which they belong. In some cases, undoubtedly, they're nasty pieces of work. It's disturbing to see the identical, pre-programmed way they all respond when the interviews aren't going they way they want, as if they have been drilled in what to say. And it's when you start to ask them 'so what do you want to do about it?' that any remaining sympathy rapidly ebbs.
I realise this review won't please those on either side of what is - aren't they all these days? - a very polarised issue. It's called independent thinking, folks: try it some time.
The low rating is unsurprising given what we see
Insert_Random_Letters16 February 2022
This is a very controversial documentary, but one that does not deserve a low rating like this. Given what we have seen of many people in the first episode alone, it's unsurprising that people have given this a low rating either out of spite or because of their refusal to see things from another perspective. Louis shows things exactly how they are, but people with similar beliefs to those in the docuseries will naturally dislike the light that is put onto certain individuals and subjects. I also wouldn't be surprised if this was review-bombed by followers of some individuals in the series. I just find it very suspicious that a docuseries that raises very important points about American modern culture and the impact of social media in the US has gotten such a mixed response on iMDB.
Overreaching
Pru5514an6lu38 March 2022
Having been a fan of Louis Theroux's documentaries for years, I was waiting for this one.
I felt like it was less smart and less edgy than most of Louis' earlier work.
Felt kinda strange also to have Louis travel all over the world right after saying (for example) "He lives in Budapest" -> boom, he's over there.
But mostly, I felt like Louis looked tired of doing what some people call "his freak-show". He didn't seem very enthusiastic and/or interested in his subjects.
In his documentary series, the main protagonist is actually the presenter. In this case, Louis became very early on the "normal people's view" on the situations he puts himself in. This time, I didn't feel that connection.
But I guess after so many years, it's normal. Can't blame him.
I felt like it was less smart and less edgy than most of Louis' earlier work.
Felt kinda strange also to have Louis travel all over the world right after saying (for example) "He lives in Budapest" -> boom, he's over there.
But mostly, I felt like Louis looked tired of doing what some people call "his freak-show". He didn't seem very enthusiastic and/or interested in his subjects.
In his documentary series, the main protagonist is actually the presenter. In this case, Louis became very early on the "normal people's view" on the situations he puts himself in. This time, I didn't feel that connection.
But I guess after so many years, it's normal. Can't blame him.
Louis subtly exposes a bunch of children who can stand by their own views
james-290-37456019 February 2022
The people in this getting offended about having their quotes and reflected back to them makes for one of the best LT documentary for a while. I'd have more respect for them if they just admitted what they believe. Louis' indignation is clear.
In the end the online donations roll and and we discover, it was about the money after all.
Good to see their fans have been able to follow a link to leave back reviews here.
In the end the online donations roll and and we discover, it was about the money after all.
Good to see their fans have been able to follow a link to leave back reviews here.
Episode 1 nothing new. Episode 2 worth the watch
jbarbewinter21 July 2023
The white supremacy thing is pretty dull. Weak men with weaker minds. This story is pretty cringy and probably doesn't need any more noise around it.
Episode two focuses on how rappers deal with their content glamourising the issues that have caused them personal pain and is very real. This episode provides great insight into why this medium of story telling is so important.
Episode three is also good but has elements of baiting interviewees for the answers Louis wants. Nonetheless it contains some important messages and is worth a watch.
All in all Louis has made something which make you consider different perspectives and that's not nothing.
Episode two focuses on how rappers deal with their content glamourising the issues that have caused them personal pain and is very real. This episode provides great insight into why this medium of story telling is so important.
Episode three is also good but has elements of baiting interviewees for the answers Louis wants. Nonetheless it contains some important messages and is worth a watch.
All in all Louis has made something which make you consider different perspectives and that's not nothing.
Nothing like his older better work
MpX2321 February 2022
Episode 1: Nothing very new here. There are some racist right wing people in the US... The sky is also blue. The BBC wouldn't let him, but maybe he needs to balance it out and look at some far left violent nutjobs like Antifa.
Retreading old ground
edlaxton27 March 2022
Finding extreme individuals in America is not so hard and Louis Theroux has done a good job of this in the last. But no effort is made to understand the backstories of these dreadful people, whether they had formative experiences that led to their views. Many seemed to be conflicted - were they White Supremicists or just motivated by narcissistic desire to get a reaction from the mainstream media? They seemed less sure of their ideology than the neo-nazis Theroux has profiled before. Yet none of this was explored. So we are left none the wiser. Maybe all Louis wanted was to say they are dreadful and social media is feeding them, but I thought there was a better story and investigation to be had.
No real substance
emailchewie11 April 2022
I don't really trust any review that's a 10/10 or a 1/10 those are just partizan review bombing.
The first episode all about far right white nationalist internet trolls. Felt quite disingenuous in its approach. Rather than acknowledging the absurdity and flippant trolling side of the alt-right figures being provocative and reactionary narcissists. He tried to paint it more as a facade for this sinister undertone of racism that is somehow more machiavellian than it really is. As if these fringe trolls are a lot more influential and evil than they actually are.
The second episode delves into the gangster rap lifestyle that is so appealing to disenfranchised youths from ghetto backgrounds but it's all just rehashed storylines Louis has covered better and in more detail in previous documentaries. He's just retreading the same water. It's nothing new or insightful. And it doesn't contrast well with the first episode.
The 3rd episode is easily the weakest. About the MeToo movement entering the porn industry and how OnlyFans is shifting the emphasis of power from the production companies / agents to the performers working from home instead. So much of this episode gets hung up on the underlying premise of 'believe all women' and if you don't then you're part of the old school mysogynistic problem. Louis is at his weakest in this episode as he really doesn't show any nuance in dealing with the subject of consent in the extremely grey area of sex work. His interview with Pierre Woodman in particular came across really badly as he seemed intent on trying to portray Pierre as a potential rapist. I've always found LT's documentaries about sex to be his weakest ones.
The first episode all about far right white nationalist internet trolls. Felt quite disingenuous in its approach. Rather than acknowledging the absurdity and flippant trolling side of the alt-right figures being provocative and reactionary narcissists. He tried to paint it more as a facade for this sinister undertone of racism that is somehow more machiavellian than it really is. As if these fringe trolls are a lot more influential and evil than they actually are.
The second episode delves into the gangster rap lifestyle that is so appealing to disenfranchised youths from ghetto backgrounds but it's all just rehashed storylines Louis has covered better and in more detail in previous documentaries. He's just retreading the same water. It's nothing new or insightful. And it doesn't contrast well with the first episode.
The 3rd episode is easily the weakest. About the MeToo movement entering the porn industry and how OnlyFans is shifting the emphasis of power from the production companies / agents to the performers working from home instead. So much of this episode gets hung up on the underlying premise of 'believe all women' and if you don't then you're part of the old school mysogynistic problem. Louis is at his weakest in this episode as he really doesn't show any nuance in dealing with the subject of consent in the extremely grey area of sex work. His interview with Pierre Woodman in particular came across really badly as he seemed intent on trying to portray Pierre as a potential rapist. I've always found LT's documentaries about sex to be his weakest ones.
Fair and unbiased, ha ha ha
declanleader20 July 2022
Theroux does his usual of highlighting the "freaks" of society and blanketing them all under the "far right" term, nothing from the "far left" because that's normal "unbiased" journalism, thankfully there is not a problem with the far left, blm antifa shh can't cover this etc. It's pathetic really and would make any normal person apathetic towards this mockumentary.
Garbage
mcallister12614 February 2022
Nothing new, revealing or shocking to see here.
This is just another Louis Theroux freak show.
While the subjects may well be worthy of opprobrium or ridicule, they mostly come across as immature, maladjusted or downright pathetic, rather than menacing or threatening.
I watched 40 minutes of this wretched programme and that was more than enough.
Some dimwitted reviewers here are making the assumption that a low rating is an indication of support for the people in the programme. It is not!!
It is simply that these Louis Theroux 'let's mock the weirdos' programmes have become a bit tiresome.
This is just another Louis Theroux freak show.
While the subjects may well be worthy of opprobrium or ridicule, they mostly come across as immature, maladjusted or downright pathetic, rather than menacing or threatening.
I watched 40 minutes of this wretched programme and that was more than enough.
Some dimwitted reviewers here are making the assumption that a low rating is an indication of support for the people in the programme. It is not!!
It is simply that these Louis Theroux 'let's mock the weirdos' programmes have become a bit tiresome.
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