Were they my kids they'd have been dead before the crash landing
26 Reviews
Those effing kids
eyefonefoures21 August 2018
Not perfect but good
felixgno4 November 2017
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This was the best episode so far. This could have been one of the better episodes of TNG. Almost no attempt on bad jokes and flat humor and finally kids that behave like kids, though annoying kids at that. Not like the awful, unnatural puppets they had in TNG.
Also it was a good character study of Isaac and the good doctor.
Isaac wants to learn about human behavior, what better could happen than parent-kid or brother interaction in a stressful environment. And obviously he learns a lot about the human psyche and BTW it's terribly funny without penis jokes. Just watch the scene where he imitates the doctor.
I cannot understand the complaints about the doctor killing the guy who "rescued" her. Does that give him the right to hold her captive, as a companion, as it is alluded to in one scene? No, the doctor has every right to leave and he locks her up, ignoring her wishes. Using force to escape is absolutely her right. What nonsense to write she murdered him. Did you see a different episode? If anything, it was more realistic than TNG or DS9 would have been, where Kira probably would have beaten up this guy thrice her size. But no, guys, that's not how reality works.
What I like about The Orville is this sort of "realism" where the crew is not like this 110% elite personnel as on the Enterprise. This is the B-Team, this is not the flagship. These people are much more real, they have a bad day, they have flaws, they use bad jokes and they even pee. ;) And they have SEAT BELTS!
The scripts could be more sophisticated, sometimes they lack a good time structure. The plots seem to end rather suddenly. It seems edgy from time to time.
But still, it's very enjoyable and I'm looking forward to the next episode. I'm also hoping for more ST guests. Johnathan Frakes or John de Lancie come to mind. The late Majel Barret also would have been great here.
The Orville is much more fun to watch than this stupid Attack of the Orcs series on the other channel...
Also it was a good character study of Isaac and the good doctor.
Isaac wants to learn about human behavior, what better could happen than parent-kid or brother interaction in a stressful environment. And obviously he learns a lot about the human psyche and BTW it's terribly funny without penis jokes. Just watch the scene where he imitates the doctor.
I cannot understand the complaints about the doctor killing the guy who "rescued" her. Does that give him the right to hold her captive, as a companion, as it is alluded to in one scene? No, the doctor has every right to leave and he locks her up, ignoring her wishes. Using force to escape is absolutely her right. What nonsense to write she murdered him. Did you see a different episode? If anything, it was more realistic than TNG or DS9 would have been, where Kira probably would have beaten up this guy thrice her size. But no, guys, that's not how reality works.
What I like about The Orville is this sort of "realism" where the crew is not like this 110% elite personnel as on the Enterprise. This is the B-Team, this is not the flagship. These people are much more real, they have a bad day, they have flaws, they use bad jokes and they even pee. ;) And they have SEAT BELTS!
The scripts could be more sophisticated, sometimes they lack a good time structure. The plots seem to end rather suddenly. It seems edgy from time to time.
But still, it's very enjoyable and I'm looking forward to the next episode. I'm also hoping for more ST guests. Johnathan Frakes or John de Lancie come to mind. The late Majel Barret also would have been great here.
The Orville is much more fun to watch than this stupid Attack of the Orcs series on the other channel...
Episode 8
bobcobb3015 November 2017
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It seems like every week they're either going to get kidnapped or trapped on a foreign planet. That being said, this was still an enjoyable episode. They are slowly giving the supporting cast more and more depth which speaks to a show that wants to stick around for some time. The early renewal will certainly give the writers confidence to continue to tell riskier stories.
It wasn't great, but this show is turning into something fun.
It wasn't great, but this show is turning into something fun.
Slightly below par. but not a disaster.
kepeb4 November 2017
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Weakest episode in a great series so far.
Although many of the stories in the series up until now have been variations of familiar Sci-Fi scenarios, this one takes away more than it adds.
SPOILERS AHEAD!
Story Problems: Carbon copy of so many already seen, except... The 'Doctor' kills a native without provocation. Neither of the 2 very annoying sons were vaporised. Unfortunately lacking in comedy element which was a departure from the successful formula established in previous episodes.
Context Problems: You would think 400 years in the future, today's single best proved indicator of a poor achieving adult (single mother upbringing) would have been eliminated, reduced or at the very least, held in contempt by any advanced culture. However, here the doctor normalises the situation describing it as a choice before yelling more obscenities at her unruly undisciplined children.
A common public spectacle in broken and poor families today, but how is this terrible morally bankrupt, failed parent and murderer somehow a 'Doctor' in the future. Awful message.
Not an overly bad story, just not quite at the level set by previous episodes.
Although many of the stories in the series up until now have been variations of familiar Sci-Fi scenarios, this one takes away more than it adds.
SPOILERS AHEAD!
Story Problems: Carbon copy of so many already seen, except... The 'Doctor' kills a native without provocation. Neither of the 2 very annoying sons were vaporised. Unfortunately lacking in comedy element which was a departure from the successful formula established in previous episodes.
Context Problems: You would think 400 years in the future, today's single best proved indicator of a poor achieving adult (single mother upbringing) would have been eliminated, reduced or at the very least, held in contempt by any advanced culture. However, here the doctor normalises the situation describing it as a choice before yelling more obscenities at her unruly undisciplined children.
A common public spectacle in broken and poor families today, but how is this terrible morally bankrupt, failed parent and murderer somehow a 'Doctor' in the future. Awful message.
Not an overly bad story, just not quite at the level set by previous episodes.
Old Sci Fi Plot
Hitchcoc8 June 2022
I agree with others. First of all, those kids were horrible. They were more than just defiant little brats. The doctor is also a tiresome character. She survives with the help of a creature whom she kills. The robot is quite good and is the only real admirable "person" in this episode. Even though there were some failings, I did enjoy this one.
It's Called Moral Depth
flash-1046 December 2017
Those arguing about this show in their reviews, on both sides, are missing the point. This episode has more moral depth than all the _Star Trek_ episodes I've seen by Braga put together, and more than any by Bormanis. The characters are not all completely good or completely evil, and actions have consequences. It's also morally serious, in a way I suspect MacFarlane would not get away with if the show were not labeled a comedy, with a serious point to make about three kinds of fatherhood, which would have been controversial if anyone had been paying sufficient attention.
Loved every minute
wolfing-8359016 November 2017
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Excellent episode, the doctor and her 2 kids along with the android Isaac are forced to land on an uncharted moon and get separated in the crash. Isaac's attempts to understand kids and the doctor's trying to free herself from her captor show two interesting character developments, how far can a mother go in order to find her children?
The episode also has some of the funniest moments of the show. Loved it!
The episode also has some of the funniest moments of the show. Loved it!
Best character writing and acting so far - Isaac is great
wolfstar_imdb8 January 2018
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I thought this was a fantastic ep, easily the best since About A Girl. Consistently engaging, proper character writing, a lot of great laughs (that worked in context, were character-appropriate and didn't feel shoehorned-in) plus lots of heart (genuinely earned emotion, not maudlin sentimentality), and Penny Johnson got to act - a lot. Wisely, for the second week in a row, Ed and Gordon's roles were minimized (and Gordon's sole contribution was funny while still being in character). I don't normally enjoy Brannon Braga or Andre Bormanis as writers, but their competence showed here - both the character dynamics and the humor flowed more naturally and were better-grounded than in the MacFarlane-penned episodes, which tend to be glibber and less solid, with the jokes less organic and more left-field and throwaway.
With an episode like this, when you know they're going to be rescued and everyone's going to be OK again by the end, the plot mechanics aren't the point - I had no objection to there being a shuttle crash (even if yeah, it did look too violent to have been survivable, and the cause was a little dumb). The point is the dialogue and character dynamics, and for me, those totally worked this episode - Isaac and Finn were well-written and well-performed, I very much echo Hank's comments above. Yeah, the kids were kinda annoying at the start but that was the point, and I agree with the other commenters that the parenting dynamics did feel refreshingly blunt and true-to-life. The cannibal-mutant people on the planet were the least developed part of the episode; they could have been handled better, but also worse (ie. by turning the show into a full-on zombie episode), so I'm not complaining too much. Similarly, the spatial rift wasn't developed or explored, but it was just a means to an end and I'm fine with that.
If season 2 has fewer MacFarlane-penned episodes, and takes its characters and settings as seriously as this episode does, the show can triumph and really develop. I'd like that to happen. Because I really enjoyed Penny and Mark's performances in this episode, and the material they were given to work with was solid and worthy of them. The kids too did a reasonable job and the script kept hitting the right notes - holding back when prudent, and earning its more moving and emotionally honest moments.
With an episode like this, when you know they're going to be rescued and everyone's going to be OK again by the end, the plot mechanics aren't the point - I had no objection to there being a shuttle crash (even if yeah, it did look too violent to have been survivable, and the cause was a little dumb). The point is the dialogue and character dynamics, and for me, those totally worked this episode - Isaac and Finn were well-written and well-performed, I very much echo Hank's comments above. Yeah, the kids were kinda annoying at the start but that was the point, and I agree with the other commenters that the parenting dynamics did feel refreshingly blunt and true-to-life. The cannibal-mutant people on the planet were the least developed part of the episode; they could have been handled better, but also worse (ie. by turning the show into a full-on zombie episode), so I'm not complaining too much. Similarly, the spatial rift wasn't developed or explored, but it was just a means to an end and I'm fine with that.
If season 2 has fewer MacFarlane-penned episodes, and takes its characters and settings as seriously as this episode does, the show can triumph and really develop. I'd like that to happen. Because I really enjoyed Penny and Mark's performances in this episode, and the material they were given to work with was solid and worthy of them. The kids too did a reasonable job and the script kept hitting the right notes - holding back when prudent, and earning its more moving and emotionally honest moments.
Like the series, but found this episode annoying
bluecouchpotato27 April 2018
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I don't usually write reviews of single episodes, but this one just bugged me. The zombie apocalypse sort of inhabitants were not well done; more b-movie than the series is in general. What I found really annoying was the fact that Dr Finn killed the one inhabitant of the planet who was actually trying to help her! And worse, she later tells her kids that "killing isn't our way" (really?); and comes up with an antidote to the disease killing the other inhabitants and sends the cure back to help them. Meanwhile, the good guy is long dead.
Am I the only one bothered by this ?
mr-shcmr4 November 2017
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This episode is not terrible, but there's one thing that bothers me (SPOILERS).
Of all the murderous indigenous cannibals who attack them, the crew only kill two. And one of them was not even hostile, he actually saved a crew member from probably being found and eaten by the cannibals when he took her to his shelter. Then he proceeded to share his scarce food with her and warn her about the dangers outside. What did he do wrong ? Well, he wouldn't let her out of her cell, even after she explained her situation and pleaded for a full 5 seconds. And he was threatening, even though he never actually harmed her.
Who kills him ? Well, the crewmember he saved ! She tricks him into entering her cell while she's behind him. She could lock him in and go, but she prefers backstabbing him.
Oh, and who is that crewmember ? Not the cold android who treats humans like fascinating animals, but the doctor who (I assume) has taken an oath to protect and save lives even at a great personal cost.
After they're back aboard the ship, she could ask for a team to rescue her jailer if possible. I mean, he could still be hanging to life for all we know, it wouldn't cost them much to check his state, and that's what doctors do, right ? Um... no. The other cannibals will be cured, but her savior can rot in his own blood for all she cares.
Conclusion : What kind of doctor is that ?
Of all the murderous indigenous cannibals who attack them, the crew only kill two. And one of them was not even hostile, he actually saved a crew member from probably being found and eaten by the cannibals when he took her to his shelter. Then he proceeded to share his scarce food with her and warn her about the dangers outside. What did he do wrong ? Well, he wouldn't let her out of her cell, even after she explained her situation and pleaded for a full 5 seconds. And he was threatening, even though he never actually harmed her.
Who kills him ? Well, the crewmember he saved ! She tricks him into entering her cell while she's behind him. She could lock him in and go, but she prefers backstabbing him.
Oh, and who is that crewmember ? Not the cold android who treats humans like fascinating animals, but the doctor who (I assume) has taken an oath to protect and save lives even at a great personal cost.
After they're back aboard the ship, she could ask for a team to rescue her jailer if possible. I mean, he could still be hanging to life for all we know, it wouldn't cost them much to check his state, and that's what doctors do, right ? Um... no. The other cannibals will be cured, but her savior can rot in his own blood for all she cares.
Conclusion : What kind of doctor is that ?
What is the message?
grainonbeach5 November 2017
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The episode, "Into the Fold," left me very uncomfortable.
I really enjoyed the story - until the moment Claire Finn stabs, shoots, and presumably kills her rescuer/captor. I was taken aback when Finn tells her son Union people value life (after what she had done). What is this episode trying to say?
You crash land on someone else's world, a man rescues you, he provides food. When you beg him that you must leave, he insists that it is too dangerous (which appears to be the case as hordes of diseased cannibals seemingly roam everywhere). You learn that your son is ill, so you decide that you must kill the man to get away and (presumably) take the med-kit that he risked getting for you, and his weapon. After you kill, you tell your son, we value life.
So, what does this all mean? a. It's okay to kill someone if you are trying to save your child's life. b. If someone has detained you against your will (even though you were the trespasser), then you can kill him. c. Lying and deception are okay, when necessary. d. Teach your children that killing is bad, but don't tell them that you just killed someone.
That she is a physician made it worse for me. What is the Hypocritical Oath: "I will do no harm, unless I feel that the other person is bad"?
There should have been non-lethal alternatives for Finn. That's what separates smart (and beneficent) people from average (or bad) people. For example, (1) Talk. She is a physician, and with all of her experience, she should be able to present logical, rational, as well as emotional arguments that are persuasive. She could (a) ask the man if it was her mother that was 'held' and she needed to find you. How would you feel if someone kept her from you? (b) have said that I understand that you are lonely and want a friend; if you help me, I promise you that someone else from my ship or our Union will come to keep you company. (c) have offered to take him away from the diseased planet.
(2) have set a trap to restrain her captor. She had access to some/many of his supplies.
(3) have obtained something to incapacitate/'knock out' the man, e.g, a metal rod, heavy pot, etc.
(4) have just run away. She probably wanted the med-kit (and/or his weapon), so that's probably why she didn't just run.
(5) etc., etc.
Clever script writers could have come up with a way for her to escape (with the med-kit and weapon) without killing the man. So, it seems that killing this man was one plot point of this episode.
This episode taught me that Finn will kill me if I get in her way - even if my intention is to protect her (from dangers of which she knows not). Logically, we can extend this and say that she would kill an entire town/city/society if they were detaining her and that was the only way she knew to save her child.
Again, we should not overlook that Finn is the intruder on that world.
What has been disquieting about "The Orville" is the sense of self- righteousness and the lack of introspection. The Orville crew's attitude is: they are bad/evil, but we are good or our way is better. This attitude is prevalent in other episodes, and is one of the biggest contrasts with ST:TNG, where the Federation seems more respectful of other cultures/peoples/beliefs.
Here's an idea: A future episode should evaluate the conduct of the Orville's crew (e.g., by Admiral Halsey et al.). Oh, never mind, the likely conclusion would be: We are good or our way is better; and, most importantly, they were bad and got what was coming to them. (Spoilers on earlier episode: Wasn't Lt. LaMarr the disrespectful one who inappropriately touched and physically 'assaulted' the woman's statue in public? Etc.)
I just thought of a worse possibility: Finn killed the man out of spite/vindictiveness ("You held me against my will and didn't care about my sons, so you deserve to die.") Or, perhaps the message is: "If you restrict a woman, you should die."
I really enjoyed the story - until the moment Claire Finn stabs, shoots, and presumably kills her rescuer/captor. I was taken aback when Finn tells her son Union people value life (after what she had done). What is this episode trying to say?
You crash land on someone else's world, a man rescues you, he provides food. When you beg him that you must leave, he insists that it is too dangerous (which appears to be the case as hordes of diseased cannibals seemingly roam everywhere). You learn that your son is ill, so you decide that you must kill the man to get away and (presumably) take the med-kit that he risked getting for you, and his weapon. After you kill, you tell your son, we value life.
So, what does this all mean? a. It's okay to kill someone if you are trying to save your child's life. b. If someone has detained you against your will (even though you were the trespasser), then you can kill him. c. Lying and deception are okay, when necessary. d. Teach your children that killing is bad, but don't tell them that you just killed someone.
That she is a physician made it worse for me. What is the Hypocritical Oath: "I will do no harm, unless I feel that the other person is bad"?
There should have been non-lethal alternatives for Finn. That's what separates smart (and beneficent) people from average (or bad) people. For example, (1) Talk. She is a physician, and with all of her experience, she should be able to present logical, rational, as well as emotional arguments that are persuasive. She could (a) ask the man if it was her mother that was 'held' and she needed to find you. How would you feel if someone kept her from you? (b) have said that I understand that you are lonely and want a friend; if you help me, I promise you that someone else from my ship or our Union will come to keep you company. (c) have offered to take him away from the diseased planet.
(2) have set a trap to restrain her captor. She had access to some/many of his supplies.
(3) have obtained something to incapacitate/'knock out' the man, e.g, a metal rod, heavy pot, etc.
(4) have just run away. She probably wanted the med-kit (and/or his weapon), so that's probably why she didn't just run.
(5) etc., etc.
Clever script writers could have come up with a way for her to escape (with the med-kit and weapon) without killing the man. So, it seems that killing this man was one plot point of this episode.
This episode taught me that Finn will kill me if I get in her way - even if my intention is to protect her (from dangers of which she knows not). Logically, we can extend this and say that she would kill an entire town/city/society if they were detaining her and that was the only way she knew to save her child.
Again, we should not overlook that Finn is the intruder on that world.
What has been disquieting about "The Orville" is the sense of self- righteousness and the lack of introspection. The Orville crew's attitude is: they are bad/evil, but we are good or our way is better. This attitude is prevalent in other episodes, and is one of the biggest contrasts with ST:TNG, where the Federation seems more respectful of other cultures/peoples/beliefs.
Here's an idea: A future episode should evaluate the conduct of the Orville's crew (e.g., by Admiral Halsey et al.). Oh, never mind, the likely conclusion would be: We are good or our way is better; and, most importantly, they were bad and got what was coming to them. (Spoilers on earlier episode: Wasn't Lt. LaMarr the disrespectful one who inappropriately touched and physically 'assaulted' the woman's statue in public? Etc.)
I just thought of a worse possibility: Finn killed the man out of spite/vindictiveness ("You held me against my will and didn't care about my sons, so you deserve to die.") Or, perhaps the message is: "If you restrict a woman, you should die."
Worst Orville Episode!!!
spike_bender3 November 2017
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Orville is a very funny series but this episode had almost no humor! Why?
******SPOILER ALERT******
Dr. Flinn crash lands on a very harsh world where food and drinkable water are extremely scarce! Even so, after Drogen, a kind-hearted inhabitant of the world, finds and rescues the wounded Dr. Flinn. In spite of hostile attackers roaming the area, Drogen selfishly carries Dr. Flinn to his fortified sanctuary. There he generously shares his food and clean water with her! To protect Dr. Finn from leaving the sanctuary and being wounded or killed by roaming militants, Drogen locks Dr. Flinn in her safe bedroom. Dr. Flinn doesn't like being locked in and hatches a plan to murder her altruistic protector. Dr. Flinn cuts her arm and then lies to Drogen. She tells him that he must retrieve her medicine from her crash site. Drogen, risking life and limb, agrees to get Dr. Flinn's medicine for her. When Drogen returns with her medicine, how does she thank him? Dr. Flinn jumps him from behind and stabs her benefactor in the stomach with a large hunting knife and then murders him by shooting him dead! WTF? I thought this TV series was supposed to be a comedy! No humor here! Watch the other episodes but avoid this one at all costs!
******SPOILER ALERT******
Dr. Flinn crash lands on a very harsh world where food and drinkable water are extremely scarce! Even so, after Drogen, a kind-hearted inhabitant of the world, finds and rescues the wounded Dr. Flinn. In spite of hostile attackers roaming the area, Drogen selfishly carries Dr. Flinn to his fortified sanctuary. There he generously shares his food and clean water with her! To protect Dr. Finn from leaving the sanctuary and being wounded or killed by roaming militants, Drogen locks Dr. Flinn in her safe bedroom. Dr. Flinn doesn't like being locked in and hatches a plan to murder her altruistic protector. Dr. Flinn cuts her arm and then lies to Drogen. She tells him that he must retrieve her medicine from her crash site. Drogen, risking life and limb, agrees to get Dr. Flinn's medicine for her. When Drogen returns with her medicine, how does she thank him? Dr. Flinn jumps him from behind and stabs her benefactor in the stomach with a large hunting knife and then murders him by shooting him dead! WTF? I thought this TV series was supposed to be a comedy! No humor here! Watch the other episodes but avoid this one at all costs!
Seen it before a zillion times
gdump4 November 2017
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I'm losing hope for this series. It seems like each episode is lower quality than the previous one. This one is at the bottom of the barrel and I'm only going to give the show one more chance before I write it off.
This one was the standard family gets into trouble, mom does everything to get back to her kids, except that it included her -- completely unnecessarily -- killing her alien rescuer. Then, mom has the audacity to say later in the show that "they may not value life, but we do."
Just in case it wasn't obvious, I was completely disgusted by this episode.
This one was the standard family gets into trouble, mom does everything to get back to her kids, except that it included her -- completely unnecessarily -- killing her alien rescuer. Then, mom has the audacity to say later in the show that "they may not value life, but we do."
Just in case it wasn't obvious, I was completely disgusted by this episode.
A mix of good and bad, with a SOLID AWFUL overall.
ShunLi19 November 2017
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A couple of people in my family like this show so we watch it. For the most part I like it too. IMO while not consistently great, it has some okay episodes. This episode was awful.
SPOILER Either the acting or directing was FANTASTIC because the two actors who played the doctor's kids were AMAZINGLY UNLIKABLE. You REALLY, REALLY wanted to slap them or shake her and tell her to be a better mother. Then at the end, the message was: it's okay to be an asshat toward people and to treat everyone, especially family and friends with disrespect.
Really? Is that why it appears no one gives a poop anymore? I must have been late in getting the message. Thank Orville. *sarcasm*
SPOILER Either the acting or directing was FANTASTIC because the two actors who played the doctor's kids were AMAZINGLY UNLIKABLE. You REALLY, REALLY wanted to slap them or shake her and tell her to be a better mother. Then at the end, the message was: it's okay to be an asshat toward people and to treat everyone, especially family and friends with disrespect.
Really? Is that why it appears no one gives a poop anymore? I must have been late in getting the message. Thank Orville. *sarcasm*
Isaac is great, kids are too much, killing of captor is questionable
loving-you19 December 2020
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The indigenous person who saved the doctor is more likeable than the kids, and he's the one getting killed. From his point of view the story is of foresight, survival, grit, help to the stranger. And what he gets in return is a knife and a bullet. Kids were over the top bratty, very unrealistic. In real crisis kids always quiet down and obey because they sense the gravitas of the situation better than some adults.
Doctor following the Hypocritical Oath
t_kam3 October 2021
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This could have been a really good episode and at one point Doc Finn says of the zombies: "They might not value life but we do" which would be a great sentiment especially from a doctor if she hadn't just stabbed and shot the one person who helped her. He did attack but only after she had stabbed him. Was this the example she wanted to set for her bratty kids?
Yay! Crappy parenting magically fixed by nearly dying!
sicklittlebunny29 June 2022
Wtf?! Why does every single American series have to have an episode where the most half-arsed, selfish "parents" nearly get themselves and their kids killed and suddenly the kids aren't feral and it's all happy families?
I mean really, she chose to be a single parent, who works all the time and leaves her kids to be raised by someone else apart from the few hours when they're asleep. And as Isaac points out within about 30 seconds of meeting them, on the seemingly rare occasions she does spend a few waking hours with her children she makes no effort to actually parent them. Is this ok in America?
I'm pretty sure the kids were only written into the show for this specific episode and it's just not worth watching.
I mean really, she chose to be a single parent, who works all the time and leaves her kids to be raised by someone else apart from the few hours when they're asleep. And as Isaac points out within about 30 seconds of meeting them, on the seemingly rare occasions she does spend a few waking hours with her children she makes no effort to actually parent them. Is this ok in America?
I'm pretty sure the kids were only written into the show for this specific episode and it's just not worth watching.
Meh
bnevs183 November 2017
Not really anything special or noteworthy, but thats OK, every series is going to have its clunkers. There were several plot contrivances and the interactions were pretty weak. Its a really unremarkable episode. This series just got a 2nd season and it deserves it. I honestly had no thoughts of Orville being a decent sci-fi show. There are people who still haven't come to grips with this being Scifi first and comedy second. It seems that SMF wants to make a series show but not make it completely stuffy. I look forward to season 2.
Essentially a wasted 40 minutes, barely a laugh and there are children
rcys-762215 November 2017
I don't think anyone is really watching this show because of it's Scifi content or plot lines. And I definitely hope that is the last time annoying children whine through out the entire show. It should just be what it is, a comedy set in space.
1/10 for comedy, 1/10 for plo,t 1/10 for acting, 10/10 for annoying children
If the show continues on this path, please cancel it before season 2. Or at least warn viewers in the title that you are attempting to be a space soap opera instead of a comedy.
1/10 for comedy, 1/10 for plo,t 1/10 for acting, 10/10 for annoying children
If the show continues on this path, please cancel it before season 2. Or at least warn viewers in the title that you are attempting to be a space soap opera instead of a comedy.
Had to fast forward thru this
hmb-5177817 April 2022
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Wow. Such a stupid, manipulative episode.
I used to like the Doctor. Now I find myself chanting: Fall! Fall! Fall! When she was outside the window.
Her kids were poorly written plot points.
Almost gave up on the entire show.
I used to like the Doctor. Now I find myself chanting: Fall! Fall! Fall! When she was outside the window.
Her kids were poorly written plot points.
Almost gave up on the entire show.
Too much Star Trek and not enough Orville
KittieC8 December 2018
For me, this was the first episode of The Orville that became a copy of Star Trek rather than a tribute to it.
If the vile behaviour of pre-teens was intended to be comedic, it certainly missed the mark, leaving the ep completely devoid of any kind of humour. Instead it leans into the drama of an AI finding emotional intelligence as it becomes more intimate with the fears and needs of human children. Except the children are revolting, and the AI is dull so there's pretty much zero emotional investment or pay off for us viewers.
Filling in between separation and reunion is a pointless side-bar plot of a planet of war-ravaged, biological weapons-damaged population of canabalistic locals that goes nowhere.
And for those challenged by the doctor's trigger-finger when dispatching her captor, let's not forget that he offers a veiled threat about him being the only hope for his species, suggesting her potential for being breeding stock for him is another compelling reason behind her willingness to dispatch him - other than his keeping her captive and being generally pretty hostile (honestly guys, how many reasons do you need?).
For me, this was an uninspired episode that stepped too far away from the fundamentals of what separates The Orville from Star Trek and didn't compensate for that with an engaging, well-realised theme, good acting (the robot out-acted the humans) or pathos.
Plus the kids made me want to set weapons to kill.
terrible episode
miguelignacio9731 December 2021
Awful. Annoying children, not funny episode, hope next episodes aren't alike. .......................................
. Love the show, but this was so full of plot holes and wooden writing that it's bound to be on a future Mystery Science Theater 3000 show. Unless this episode was aimed at the under 10 demographic?
. Love the show, but this was so full of plot holes and wooden writing that it's bound to be on a future Mystery Science Theater 3000 show. Unless this episode was aimed at the under 10 demographic?
Probably worst episode so far, by far skip skip
pcanov16 June 2022
Series was doing so good then they cramp this bs in this one. Annoying af kids. Is like they just ran out of ideas and decided to steal an episod from the new fresh prince of belair, if you can skip it you'll miss nothing.
Will be on Mystery Science Theater 3000 eventually
darius-0131527 November 2020
Terrible
makanaswan2 June 2023
Warning: Spoilers
I love this show, but I couldn't stand this episode. The other episodes of The Orville are fine. The Orville is supposed to be a comedy show. The protector (drogan) saves Dr. Finn when she crashlanded on a disease-filled moon. Drogan provided her with drinkable water, food, and shelter. These resources are very scarce. Dr. Finn thanks her protector for killing him with his gun. Later in the episode, Dr. Finn teaches her kids tells her kids that all life is valuable and not to kill anybody, which is hypocrisy when she just unjustifiably kills her helper. I also feel that the children of Dr. Finn were unlikeable. You cannot connect with the characters and feel sorry for them that their mother is missing. The kids were bratty and annoying.
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